Welcome to another great episode of Entrepreneur’s Enigma!

In today’s journey, Seth Goldstein, our indomitable host, brings to the table a conversation steeped in valor, vision, and the trials of entrepreneurship.

We meet Sam Alaimo, a former US Navy SEAL turned co-founder of Zero Eyes—an AI gun detection startup determined to take a stand against the mass shooting crisis in America.

From the tough transition from military life to the academic rigor of an MBA at Columbia, Sam breaks down the skills that help SEALs become unstoppable entrepreneurs.

With vivid tales of training for the SEALs as a teen, his tours to Afghanistan, and the tense energy shift to entrepreneurship, Sam offers a powerful narrative of resilience and strategic thinking.

This episode peels back the tough exterior of military discipline to analyze the unrelenting pressure and constant innovation required in the business sphere.

So buckle up, as we dive into the world of a hero who faces an entirely new kind of mission—arming organizations against threats, one algorithm at a time.

Key Moments

[06:05] Navy paid for bachelor’s and MBA degrees.

[07:22] Co-CEO of 0 Eyes with Michael A. Fries

[10:44] Focusing on gun detection, not facial recognition.

[15:10] Former military and law enforcement staff verify guns.

[17:47] Seals experience pressure and calm, civilian world.

[20:49] Focus on what you can control, accept.

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Seth [00:00:00]:
Entrepreneur’s Enigma is a podcast for the ups and downs of entrepreneurship to the wins and the fails that we all face being entrepreneurs, how we learn from adversity. Every week I talk to a different entrepreneur with a story to tell. I’m Seth Goldstein. Come with me on the journey. This is Entrepreneurs Enigma. Let’s get started. Hey, everybody. Welcome to another edition of the Entrepreneur’s Enigma podcast.

Seth [00:00:34]:
I’m your host as always, Seth. Today, I am here with a good buddy of mine, one of the cofounders of Zero Eyes, which is an AI gun detection service. I think it’s what we would call it. So far as a service that helps to combat the mass shooting epidemic that’s happening in America. It’s Sam Alaimo. He is a CRO of the company and we’ve known each other for, I think pre pandemic. I think it was right. I think it was right before the pandemic.

Seth [00:01:02]:
Then we all evacuated into our homes. And then you got, I remember you got COVID pretty quickly. I think you were like, you went big and went home, you know?

Sam [00:01:11]:
That’s right. Yeah. Mid 2020.

Seth [00:01:13]:
Yeah. You got, you guys are, I think alpha, the alpha strain. I remember that. And you were on the call, so you were coughing and it was a little rough. So, so Sam, in

Sam [00:01:20]:
my closet for about 2 weeks there. It’s good.

Seth [00:01:22]:
Exactly. Everyone’s saying, get upstairs, stay in there. You know, don’t move. Exactly. So which I know is it so you are a former Navy is former Navy Seal. Right? Is that the is that the correct term? Former?

Sam [00:01:33]:
Correct.

Seth [00:01:34]:
Does it retire? I think retired you have to be in it for, like, what, 20 years or something like that to get to retired in Indonesia?

Sam [00:01:39]:
There’s there’s 20 year retirement. There’s medical retirement. There’s several different forms of retirement. But if you got out, before that 20 year period, you’re you’re a former Navy Seal.

Seth [00:01:48]:
Former Navy Seal. Thank you for your service.

Sam [00:01:51]:
My pleasure.

Seth [00:01:52]:
And you are a you got your MBA from Columbia.

Sam [00:01:55]:
Correct.

Seth [00:01:56]:
So they knock you around too much in the Navy SEALs. You’re somebody into Columbia. So that’s a good thing.

Sam [00:02:01]:
That’s right.

Seth [00:02:02]:
And then you got out and you found a zero eyes with the other guys. And so what have you always wanted to be entrepreneur? I mean, because you are I mean, as a CEO, you kinda have to be a team player. You have to be a team player if you wanna survive. But the is it isn’t there some kind of, entrepreneurship kind of in there, like, kind of business savvy you have to have when you’re a SEAL?

Sam [00:02:27]:
I I think the soft skills are there. The hard skills, definitely are not. Hence, the business school, hence, the experience. But the soft skills, the the FIFO, They’re getting in there with minimal information, unriddling it, figuring out what works, what doesn’t through a process of trial and error, through iteration, through not being afraid to fail. Those are the soft skills that go into that making from what I’ve seen, SEALs become pretty excellent entrepreneurs.

Seth [00:02:50]:
Well, there you go. So how’d you so let’s go back even farther. How why why the SEALs? Like like, why not the traditional route of high school, college, grad school, get a job. Like why? Because, you know, and also congratulations on making it through the seal training. Cause that’s not an easy, that alone is not an easy task, you know, from what us civilians know about it. You know? I’m sure you know more about how crazy it actually is, but still, what we see in documentaries, it’s pretty intense.

Sam [00:03:16]:
It’s very intense. Yeah. When I was a when I was a kid, that whole process, you just enumerated the, high school, college job, all that. It it didn’t strike me as an appetizing when I was 14 to 15. I I the last thing I wanna do is go to college. So from a young age, I I last onto the idea of becoming a SEAL. I wanted an overarching goal, something I could dedicate my mind to, my body to. And when I was about 15, that was the thing I I set my sights on.

Sam [00:03:41]:
So I started reading every day, running every day, training every day, and my life was built to make it through SEAL selection, which I I enlisted when I was 19. I did try college for a short period. I quit, almost immediately. And, I

Seth [00:03:54]:
was just when you were a SEAL. Jeez.

Sam [00:03:56]:
I went in, yeah, relatively young.

Seth [00:03:58]:
Yeah. I mean, cause I know Mike, you, one of your co founders, he was older when he was a seal. Right. Wasn’t he, he was on the, he was like, he’s going to listen to this and hate this, but he was like the grandpa of the group right here. And he’s not the older guy. He’s, like, he’s, like, my age. But, like, you know, compared to you, you were, like, the baby of the group. Weren’t you?

Sam [00:04:15]:
I I was certainly young. I wasn’t the youngest kind of class, but I was on the the lower end of the age spectrum. And, typically, mentally, the guys aren’t capable of making it through at high rates at that age. But, physically, you’re on an advantage. Like, I could’ve gone I could’ve done that 5 times in a row. Could’ve done Hellwig twice. But I’m

Seth [00:04:29]:
just your medulla is not fully formed yet until you’re 25. So it’s like you know?

Sam [00:04:34]:
Right. Right. So I was definitely not fully formed.

Seth [00:04:36]:
We’re gonna take a quick break, hear from our sponsors, and get right back to the show. You’re not you so so bit of a knucklehead, but, you know, sometimes that works out to your benefit because you’re the you’re not you’re not, I guess, I wouldn’t say teen ed. You’re not, like there’s no preconceived. You’re you’re going into it fresh kinda thing. Yeah.

Sam [00:04:55]:
And I I spent years preparing to go to it, so I I would visualize what it would be like in buzz. I’d visualize the log, the PT, the boat on the heads, the cold water, the harassment. So by the time I got there, I’d already done about 5,000 times in my head. I just had to go through it for real once I set foot there in Coronado.

Seth [00:05:12]:
And and you made it. You made it through, and then you you did a 4 year tour. Right?

Sam [00:05:16]:
I was in for 6 years, a couple tours to Afghanistan.

Seth [00:05:19]:
How many tours?

Sam [00:05:20]:
A a couple.

Seth [00:05:22]:
Wow. Well, god bless you. I mean, I I could barely make it to journalism. Let alone I I I would not be able to make it through military. There’s no way. I’m I’m too loosey goosey. I’m sure that you would change that in me, you know, very easy. No, they changed that in you, but still, like you you had a goal since you were 15.

Seth [00:05:40]:
And you said you were when

Sam [00:05:42]:
you were 18, you might have been just fine. But I think, I think the older you get, the more recalcitrant you get.

Seth [00:05:46]:
Exactly. Exactly. So you got out of the seals. You went then you went did you go right to Columbia, or did you have, like, a did you have a stint in entrepreneurship band? Or, like, how, what was it? What was it like going from a seal to MBA school? I guess you’re kind of ready for MBA school. What are they gonna throw at you if the, if the seal guys didn’t throw at them at you?

Sam [00:06:05]:
You’d be surprised. So I I didn’t have a bachelor’s degree when I went in the navy, so I finished it while I was in. And they said it’s a great great program where they’ll help cover your tuition cost if you do, like, nights and weekends. So I did an online program. University of Maryland was great. Navy helped me pay for it while I was in straight into the MBA program when I got back from my last deployment. So I went to Columbia University for my for my masters. You know, I was I was certainly the bottom of my class at the beginning.

Sam [00:06:32]:
Oh, I’m sorry. Of that program going from I just done a 9 month deployment to Afghanistan. 2 months later, I’m in a classroom in Manhattan talking about macroeconomics. My my brain was gonna explode.

Seth [00:06:43]:
You said I get the different kind of rigor, I guess. I guess it’s a A

Sam [00:06:46]:
very different kind of rigor, and I was fortunate to have the the group I did around me because they were, very understanding. They certainly helped me out and get my brain up to speed, when it comes down to the more academic challenge.

Seth [00:06:56]:
Yeah. Because, I mean, you’re in Afghanistan. You know, you’re, you know, trying to survive. You’re doing mission driven stuff. And, I mean, you can apply that to business school, but it’s different for it. I’m not sure if it’s right brain left brain or anything like that, but it’s a different part of your brain.

Sam [00:07:09]:
That’s right. That’s right.

Seth [00:07:11]:
Yeah. Like, remembering back, you’re like, jeez. It was And you got out and I know you did something before 0 Eyes. Right? You already you did something, didn’t you? If I remember correctly?

Sam [00:07:22]:
Yeah. Myself myself and Michael A. Fries are are now CEOs of 0 Eyes, who I met in the seal teams in 2008. He and I founded a search fund after we graduated from our business school programs, which you raise a small amount of money from investors. They give you about a 2 year window using that money to find a company to buy. If they like that company, they’ll give you the money to buy the company in return for a share of the equity you run it, and then at some point, you sell it. And then they get back their return on investment. You get to be CEO.

Sam [00:07:48]:
You get a little bit of equity, a little bit of cash. We didn’t end up buying a company. So we we shut that search fund down, but it was a phenomenal experience. We got Yeah. Yeah.

Seth [00:07:56]:
We only be failing fast. There’s there’s something about failing fast or pivoting or all that stuff that you learn. I feel you learn more from that than you learn from, like, I mean, you learn a lot from succeeding too. Don’t get me wrong. You’re learning tons right now, but like failing and pivoting is a very important part and structure of being a founder and entrepreneur and all that stuff too.

Sam [00:08:19]:
100%. And that was exactly what it was. We we learned how to do and definitely not do due diligence processes when it comes down to the valuation, the legal background of the company, what they exactly do, who their customer base is. We learned all that through trial and error just through messing it up and then picking up the pieces and doing it again and again and again. So at the end of the 2 years, it was almost better than the NBA itself because it was real world experience.

Seth [00:08:42]:
Mhmm. But

Sam [00:08:43]:
we folded shop. So I I went into, private equity as an operating partner. I I went down to the Carolinas to help run one of their companies down there, and that was an eye opener. I’d never actually been in the civilian world, like, working at a company before or working on a company. It’s different.

Seth [00:08:59]:
It’s

Sam [00:09:00]:
very different. Like, in in the SEAL teams, you’re as, like, a leader in the SEAL teams, you you have these extremely motivated people who you just need to guide. You need to direct them, and they go so hard every now and then you have to pull back the reins, and that’s about it.

Seth [00:09:12]:
Oh, wow. That’s not the business world.

Sam [00:09:13]:
It is not the company. What I saw was I had to figure out how do you actually get someone to care? Like, to actually be there past 5 o’clock, to stay there till 5:30 if necessary.

Seth [00:09:23]:
I forbid. I had

Sam [00:09:23]:
to figure out how to how to lead them, how to motivate them. That was extremely difficult, but also a really good education.

Seth [00:09:28]:
Yeah. I that’s my thing. I, journalism school is great for me. I loved it, but my professor always told my professors always told me, you’re going to have your backside handed to you when you get into the newsroom and, oh my God. I mean, I know you have stories out the while I still, but, but I have, I had sisters in journalism and my stories are in insane, different kind of insane, more civilian, more civilian, more you’d be like, hold my beer kind of thing. But still, I mean, but it it’s so true. Like real world, nothing beats real world experience in most professions.

Sam [00:10:02]:
I swear by it. Absolutely swear by it.

Seth [00:10:04]:
And so then you then you when did you start 0 Eyes? Was that, like, 2018 ish?

Sam [00:10:08]:
We founded, March 2018.

Seth [00:10:11]:
Say, I remember, I remember, I remember, I remember the history here. It’s good. So, and then in the, the whole goal was to stop, you know, put it into school shootings and mass shootings as an epidemic in our country. And what I loved about, what I love about your company is that it’s not facial recognition. It’s gun recognition.

Sam [00:10:28]:
That’s right.

Seth [00:10:29]:
Which is really neat because it’s like guns when you’re at a camera’s up on a pole somewhere and you’re looking down, the head’s bigger than the gun. Like, it’s even it’s a smart target.

Sam [00:10:44]:
Yeah. 100%. When we founded the company, the question was raised to do exactly what you’re saying. Should we do facial recognition on top of gun detection? Should we do license plate recognition? Should we do puddles for insurance claims? And if you do that, you end up being a b at everything and not an a plus at one thing. But then there is the actual, like, we’re we’re patriots. We don’t wanna invade anybody’s privacy. And to detect faces or store biometric data would be a violation of that. So she said, we’re gonna take guns.

Sam [00:11:09]:
We’re gonna try to stop mass shootings, and that’s it. And we spent every resource we had all the past 6 years just doing that one thing. And right now, we we’re, know, we’re in about 40 states at the moment. We’re across k twelve, higher ed, almost every commercial vertical, DOD, Ed. Yeah. We’re it’s been a wild ride.

Seth [00:11:27]:
That’s awesome. And, you know, I remember hearing stories of people of you guys doing your demos through the building? You had to warn the whole building. Like there’s gonna be people with like fake guns running through, or even real guns, but like not like loaded guns running through the building. Don’t freak out. It’s just the crazy zero eyes guys doing a demo kind of thing or doing a video or something like that. You know?

Sam [00:11:48]:
On us a couple of times. We had a a demo down the DC at a restaurant where we were walking the gun outside, to in the parking lot to the building, and there happened to be a Chuck E. Cheese next door. And the police were calling us, the police wrapped us up in a big circle, guns drawn, and they’re like, listen. It’s a plastic gun. We’re doing a drill. So we’ve had a couple of close calls with it. We got good over time.

Seth [00:12:08]:
T. There’s more police in DC than there’s anywhere else. I mean, every inch is the it’s on department.

Sam [00:12:13]:
That’s right. So we we we pregame it now. We call the police ahead of time. We were ordered to have

Seth [00:12:17]:
or her plea oh, you even warn them ahead of time? Oh, man. Oh, no. Well, you know, you learned from your mistakes and you, you came out alive. Thank God. Oh my, that’s a story. Jeez. And next to the Chuck E. Cheese.

Seth [00:12:33]:
Oh boy. Maybe not, maybe not the best, maybe not the best location.

Sam [00:12:37]:
That’s right.

Seth [00:12:37]:
Well, actually a good location. Just warn them first.

Sam [00:12:41]:
Bad execution. Yeah.

Seth [00:12:43]:
Hey, you live and you learn. Exactly. And then, and you know, what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger, honestly.

Sam [00:12:48]:
That’s right.

Seth [00:12:49]:
Exactly. So, so you’re doing 0 eyes. You’re in, we said 45 states.

Sam [00:12:55]:
Or 40, 40 states.

Seth [00:12:57]:
40 states. 44. All right. So I’ll give you a few more states. You’ll get there. So, and you know, you’re doing, you’re doing stuff with the military, you’re doing stuff with, you know, local government, you’re doing stuff with schools, which I, you know, all are needed there. So what has been the best thing about being an entrepreneur in your mind? Cause you’ve done I mean, you have quite a history.

Sam [00:13:19]:
It’s a good question. I I think the opportunity to build a company with the kind of culture that we all wanted to actually work in. So I think we did a good combination of how do you get this aggressiveness and this energy and this desire to do good of a venture capital backed company with the kind of cultural elements of the seal team, which is autonomous. It’s flat. It’s unconventional. It’s giving a lot of, empowerment to individual, individuals within your company to go out there and get the job done with minimal oversight.

Seth [00:13:49]:
Yeah. To combine those 2 has been a trip, and we’ve

Sam [00:13:50]:
like, we’re a 160 people, and that we’re still able to do that. It’s still flat. Wow. It’s it’s awesome to see that in work, still flat. Wow. It it’s it’s awesome to see that at work. I’m I’m knowing what I know now about the military and the private sector, I think we married the 2 pretty well into a pretty cohesive whole.

Seth [00:14:07]:
I love watching you the the story. I mean, full disclosure, we work together a little bit. I did your thing second website and we did some SEO for you guys in the, in the past. And see, I think you were 20 people at that time. I remember bringing a luncheon to you guys saying, how many, how much lunch should I bring in? And you’re like, in, in you were like 20. I’m like, no, you’re a 100 you said you’re 160? Yeah. Wow. And it’s awesome.

Seth [00:14:30]:
And it’s still when you think about it, it’s still a small midsize business. I mean, it’s not it’s not a huge company. I mean, it’s just imagination.

Sam [00:14:37]:
You don’t need to be either. Like, we’re so efficient with scale. We’re a software company. We’re a manufacturing company. So we Yeah. We manufacture a software, I guess, for those who don’t know, that that detects guns over security cameras. So we just plug in system. Yeah.

Sam [00:14:50]:
Yeah. So we we just have the software that layers into your security infrastructure. So it’s extremely scalable even with our monitoring centers. We have a we call it a ZOC, a CRIs operation center in the military. It’s called a TOC, tactical operation center. So we just pivoted the name a little bit. And we have one outside Philadelphia in Conshohocken, Pennsylvania, another one in Honolulu, Hawaii. Oh.

Sam [00:15:10]:
It’s staffed a 100% by a former military, former law enforcement. So guys who are very comfortable identifying guns Yeah. You mean that. Pressure. So when you when that detection actually comes through of a gun in a location, we have a human loop verify, is it a gun? If so, we dispatch it. If not, we do not dispatch it. And within about 3 to 5 seconds, that that alert goes from the location to the end user, whether it’s a school or a subway platform or a grocery store or a military base with an image of the shooter, the location, and the time. So that’s that’s

Seth [00:15:38]:
identifying you’re only identifying the gun. So it’s like

Sam [00:15:42]:
We’re identifying the gun, the inanimate object. So, like, again, we don’t store biometric data. We’re not streaming live feeds. We don’t want to. Our our algorithm just says, I think it’s a gun and sends us a still frame image, and we verify if it is or is not. Wow.

Seth [00:15:56]:
I mean, I know the story. I know your technology. I I did SEO for you guys, so I hadn’t know your technology quite well. To this day. I still go, wow. It’s pretty freaking amazing that it’s like, it would almost be, I want to say easier, but easier to detect the whole body and the gun than, you know, a gun. And then then these people have to, like, detect then humans have to then double check it. So, yes, that is a gun.

Seth [00:16:25]:
No. It’s a wallet. You know, because, you know, it’s it, they’re not big. I mean, our pistol’s not that big. It’s about the size of a wallet. So it could be opening their wallet and it looks like it’s more of a gun. So it’s it’s incredible. Yeah.

Seth [00:16:38]:
So what is the scariest thing about being an entrepreneur? I mean, it’s gotta be different from being a seal clearly, you know?

Sam [00:16:45]:
Yeah. You know, the SEAL, your potential loss was of of life, of yourself, of your of your brothers, of the of the mission. But but entrepreneurship, it’s a different kind of struggle. So combat was, I would say, like, 3% of the time, it was extraordinarily intense, life or death intense. And then 97 percent of the time, it was just calm. It was training. He was eating. He was sleeping.

Sam [00:17:08]:
He was reading. It was a great balance. Like, that’s almost like an ancient balance like it was before the adventure of sleep.

Seth [00:17:14]:
Stoic. Yeah.

Sam [00:17:15]:
And now it’s this this constant test, this constant strain of a Slack message at midnight of a text or a phone call or an email or something that you feel like needs to be done and this constant agitation of I’m not doing enough and I could be doing more even though it’s the weekend. That’s probably the hardest part about entrepreneurship. Like, it’s up to you. And you feel like, you know, if if you don’t work 7 days a week, 12 hours a day, what’s gonna happen? What if your company falls? What if all these people don’t have a job? So that that’s a diff it’s a radically different kind of pressure. It’s it’s it’s constant.

Seth [00:17:47]:
It’s just interesting to see that they I think the word is dichotomy or the difference at least between the 2. Because I mean, people think seals are like these guys are going to harm’s way, you know? Oh my god. That’s like pressure out the wazoo. When you just said, like, yes, pressure, like more pressure than you can know what to deal with for a while you’re on your mission, but then it’s calm. And, you know, at the very rate, you know, the entrepreneurship is nonstop. It’s it’s amazing because I I went to this interview thinking, oh, you know you know, being at in the civilian world’s gonna be a cinch. No. It’s it’s a different it’s a different kind of difficulty.

Sam [00:18:19]:
It’s different. That’s all. Just like you said journalism, it’s it’s just a different challenge. It’s still very hard.

Seth [00:18:25]:
Yeah. And and you’re able to and I think but I think you being a CEO gave you the structure you needed to be disciplined enough to do entrepreneurship, at least correctly for that matter. I mean, whether or not, you know, things pivot or fail, whatever, you know, sometimes it’s out of your hands, but you’re able to you know, departmentalize and kind of you have the military structure, which I think a lot of people don’t have when they’re entrepreneurs.

Sam [00:18:53]:
Interesting. I I I think it’s a constant battle to put structure into the, like, stereotypically unstructured entrepreneurship environment. There is no structure. So, like, almost trying to add add as much structure as I can to keep the left and right limits on sanity so you don’t work too hard and know when to turn off and draw that line. Like, after 7 o’clock, not gonna look at Slack again as hard as it is.

Seth [00:19:15]:
But,

Sam [00:19:15]:
like, that that has to be, like, a rule you make just for sanity, just for your team’s sanity so that you’re not sending a Slack at 9:30 at night that that boosts their stress hormones and then make a night of terrible sleep. Things you kinda learn after 6 years of doing this in remote work, very technical work, constant communication.

Seth [00:19:31]:
It’s very hybrid. Right? I mean, you’re hybrid now. I mean, you’re you’re at your home office, sitting in the office. But a lot of you guys I mean, I’m obviously in the ZOC people have to be, you know, on in the ZOC. But, like

Sam [00:19:41]:
We were remote before COVID. Like, you know that. So, like, it would be even more so afterwards because

Seth [00:19:46]:
I don’t know. You think you were taking calls outside on the porch.

Sam [00:19:49]:
That’s right. Yeah. I mean, you gotta get some sun. Right? You gotta stay sane.

Seth [00:19:53]:
You gotta stay sane. Yeah.

Sam [00:19:54]:
Yeah. Well, we’re probably out of a 160, maybe 30 or 40 are actually at the office, and then the rest are spread throughout the country. Wow.

Seth [00:20:02]:
It’s kinda cool to see that. Like, look, hybrid can happen, and remote can happen. Like, you don’t have to be in a damn office.

Sam [00:20:10]:
No. And because of that, it opens up talent pool across all 50 states. You can hire some extraordinary people who might happen to live in the backwoods of Kentucky. They don’t have to move, and that that’s great for everybody involved.

Seth [00:20:21]:
Yeah. As long as they have a high speed data connection, which is what you can get in Kentucky now.

Sam [00:20:25]:
That’s right. Match that.

Seth [00:20:26]:
You know? That’s right. I mean, you can get as long as you can get a high speed Internet connection, and now you can even do it, you know, 5 gs over, you know, T Mobile. Not not a sponsor, not a sponsor, but seriously, you can do things wirelessly and not have to wire the ground up for sound. So that’s pretty cool. So, alright. Here’s a big question of of the podcast. What is the most important thing to carry with you all the time?

Sam [00:20:49]:
That’s a good one. I’m a good one. You you use the word stoic, so I’m gonna use stoic, stoic lesson here, which is know what’s under your control and what’s not under your control. If you constantly stress about the things you cannot control, is this contract gonna go through? Is the economic environment gonna be bad when you’re doing a fundraise? Mhmm. You you you’re gonna lose your mind. You have to realize that those things are outside of your control. Let it go and just accept what comes. And if it’s inside of your control, don’t stress about it.

Sam [00:21:18]:
Do something about it. It’s within your power. Make the change you wanna see. And if you keep that I try to keep that in my head every second of every day. Obviously, I’m human. I slip all the time. But the moments I do have that fresh, the process is way more enjoyable than stressful.

Seth [00:21:32]:
Yeah. I love that. And that was probably the best output, 200 14 episodes of this podcast. That’s probably one of the best answers to that question. Alright. I’m sick of when I’m sick of when people say my phone. The phone, people say my phone and I can’t live without my phone. And I’m like, okay, more, please.

Seth [00:21:50]:
You can go a little more woo woo on this, please. You know, I I want it’s meant to be deep. But, yeah, I’m like, whatever. So

Sam [00:21:56]:
I do whatever I can to get away from my phone, so I’ll I’ll push back on that one.

Seth [00:22:00]:
There you go. That’s awesome. So Sam, people can find you guys over at 0 eyes.com. And they can find you. I mean, you’re publishing on LinkedIn now. I’m very happy to see that, you know, you’re getting active on there. So we’ll have that in the show notes as well. And thanks for being on my bud.

Sam [00:22:17]:
Really appreciate it, Seth. Good to see you again. Glad everything’s going well.

Seth [00:22:20]:
Yeah. Absolutely. And we’ll see everyone next week. That was a great show. If you’re enjoying Entrepreneur’s Enigma, please view us in the podcast directory of your choice. Every review helps other podcast listeners find our show. If you’re looking for other podcasts in the marketing space, look no further than the marketing podcast network at marketing podcasts dotnet. Gold’s theme, I hope you have enjoyed this episode.